Comments on: Pirates Should Go Bold And Trade For Jose Quintana

By: Andy

Andy — Mon, 25 Jul 2016 16:46:09 +0000

I don’t envy being a GM, there’s so much emphasis on Prospects over the past 5yrs. Eventually they have to develop into MLB players, most of them will never make it to AAA. The Sox have a ton of issues, most if it stems from their front office & their many misses: Adam Dunn, Adam Laroche, Jeff Keppinger, Jimmy Rollins, Mat Latos, the list goes on & on. They need to have baseball personnel in place to make smart & effective moves for the future. The current front office roster should move on to greener pastures: K. WIlliams, Rick Hahn & Robin Ventura. Get young & build thru the draft & sign the occasional veteran to help mentor & develop young talent. As i see it now, i’d be shocked if either Sale or Quintana gets traded. At the end of the day there’s only 2 teams that have the stones to pull that trade off: Boston & L.A…w/Texas as distant possibility. The Pirates would be smart to at least make a play for Quintana as you mentioned in the article, the worst they can do is ask & hear No thank you.

By: James Ferguson

James Ferguson — Mon, 25 Jul 2016 16:03:23 +0000

I like Quintana, but after knowing that we never really strike those kind of deals and in my own opinion, don’t believe we need to. We know that it’s going to be a WC spot or miss the postseason. I believe the Pirates will trade for someone such as Jeremy Hellickson from the Phillies. Rental player, but maybe enough to help solidify the rotation. Sub 4 ERA this year and career.

By: Kevin Creagh

Kevin Creagh — Mon, 25 Jul 2016 12:11:51 +0000

There have definitely been some recent big returns for players (the Kimbrel package and the Shelby Miller package), but Neal Huntington is notoriously tight-fisted with prospects. If you’re looking for Bell + Meadows for Quintana (or subbing in Taillon or Glasnow for one of those two), you won’t extract it from him.

My personal theory, as espoused in the MLB Surplus Value article linked, is that you should hold on to all hitter and pitchers in the #1-10 range, have a tight grip on hitters #11-25, and pretty much be fine with moving everyone else.

By: Andy

Andy — Mon, 25 Jul 2016 03:27:10 +0000

The chart is great I like the breakdown, I’m sure that took some time. As you’re well aware prospects are just that, unproven & over valued by all teams especially in this era. All I can tell you is what is being discussed around here & it will take a Kings ransom for Sale & Queens ransom for Quintana. As per usual there’s always a ton of smoke screens & hot gossip (garbage) deals around this time of year. Anything less then two top prospect (MLB ready) & at least one or two low level prospects. As the days get closer to August 1st the rumors will heat up & should be interesting considering all the teams that are still in the chase.

By: Javyha

Javyha — Mon, 25 Jul 2016 01:49:21 +0000

Why would the rebuilding White Sox want Cutch?

By: Kevin Creagh

Kevin Creagh — Mon, 25 Jul 2016 01:08:53 +0000

While you are correct that a bidding war could ensue, I’ve shown in the chart how valuable Meadows potentially could be and that would skew the balance greatly to the White Sox if it were Bell+Meadows, even if the low level prospects you mention are pure lottery tickets that are outside the Pirates Top 10 prospects.

You are also correct that the Sox don’t HAVE to trade Quintana; they could still pursue an offseason trade (or none at all).

By: Kevin Creagh

Kevin Creagh — Mon, 25 Jul 2016 01:06:24 +0000

If you sub in Meadows, it skews the balance to a huge overpay in the White Sox favor, as prospects #1-10 are as close to “gold” as there is in the prospect game (again, as shown in the chart)

By: Andy

Andy — Mon, 25 Jul 2016 00:04:25 +0000

As a Sox fan the trade proposed would fall short. The deal would start with Bell, Meadows & 2 low level prospects. Quintana’s value is two fold, team friendly controllable contract & is still young (27). If & when he becomes available there will be a bidding War that will drive his value even higher…Rangers, Red Sox, & Astros have equal or greater prospects & are in need of pitching. I agree w/the writer blow this team up & start collecting prospects to build around. The Sox lack of Offense (or offensive) has screwed Quintana time & time again, use today’s game as a perfect example. Leading 4-1 thru 8innings vs the Tigers, enter David Robertson in the 9th…3 solo homers later & he gets another (among many thru out his Sox career) no decision. If I’m the Pirates go get him, he’s a class act & great in the clubhouse. He’s one of two Columbian ball players in MLB & took English lessons so he could communicate w/the coaches/front office personnel/teammates & media. I’d hate to see him go, but he’s a great trade asset & nothing short of the right package will net him. Again, the Sox don’t have to trade him. Rooting for your Buco’s!

By: Paul

Paul — Sun, 24 Jul 2016 21:25:40 +0000

I agree with everything you’ve said but I would substitute Meadows for Bell. I also think that the same package could be enough to get Julio Teheran from Atlanta.

By: Kevin Creagh

Kevin Creagh — Sun, 24 Jul 2016 00:26:15 +0000

I do not have those values. I just never had the inclination to go through Sickels data. I just assume like $8m for 2nd tier, $4m for 3rd tier