Comments on: Steelers 2018 NFL Draft Prospect Watch: ILB Leighton Vander Esch https://thepointofpittsburgh.com/steelers-2018-nfl-draft-prospect-watch-ilb-leighton-vander-esch/ Ideas Involving Pittsburgh Fri, 15 Jun 2018 01:35:21 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.6 By: Kelechi Anozie https://thepointofpittsburgh.com/steelers-2018-nfl-draft-prospect-watch-ilb-leighton-vander-esch/#comment-13764 Fri, 20 Apr 2018 19:18:55 +0000 https://thepointofpittsburgh.com/?p=10881#comment-13764 Actually it’s very applicable as I noted from a schematic point of view Bob. In today’s NFL, you need a running game to set up the pass; otherwise defenses can simply run zone defenses and not worry about loading the box; in essence, it makes youR offense one dimensional at best. The Rams despite not winning the Superbowl, had one of the best offenses in the league a HUGE reason for that was Todd Gurley’s element. They’re still a rebuilding team not to forget, yet the progress they made from 2016 to 2017 was remarkable, and Gurle played a major part in that.

Secondly, what you noted “it’s not like talents like Gurley or Bell grow on trees”, I thank you for noting that because it strengthens my point and likely the reason why the Steelers can ill afford to lose Bell; his type doesn’t appear too often, thus there is no reason why he shouldn’t get paid in such a manner that can reflect is valuability to a team. Barkley is good but when you talk about a running back that is good for a system, not every running back in the draft can be plugged in and play the Steelers way as Bell did; if that was the case, they would have likely gotten rid of Bell a long while ago. What makes a good running back is two things I’ve learned; their skillset and the system they play in. Bell’s skillset is virtually perfect for the type of offense Randy is likely to run. The only other running backs in this draft that may fit this bill are Derrius Guice and Kerryon Johnson; hence part of the reason why they met with the Steelers at Pro Day and/or the combine.

The teams that you noted that won Superbowls without a running game, well let’s evaluate each one Bob (I love when you do this):

Green Bay – They’ve only won one Superbowl in the last 15 years (2010). They’re fortunate to have arguably the most talented QB ever in Aaron Rodgers; however last season when he was injured, how did that turn out? They most definitely could have used a competent running back to open up their offense, especially considering the type of quarterback they had in Rodgers’ place. Instead they became too predictable and teams exploited that.

Seattle – Funny how you mentioned running back. They had Marshawn Lynch whom at the time was one of the premier running backs in the league. The year they won back in 2013, he rushed for 1,257; in the postseason he led the league in rushing yards so his contribution were essential. Ironically enough, on the play in which Seattle should have run the ball, they passed instead and lost the Superbowl (Malcolm Butler’s interception).

Patriots – Whether you see it or not, much offensive schemes they’ve run with different coordinators, has been initiated by the running game. With this team, we can explore ad nauseum why they’ve been successful. What I know is that for many years, they were very much a play-action offense; thus for a lot of years, they depended heavily on their running backs for success. Much of that has not changed, especially considering now they have mediocre receivers (Gronk being the exception).

Winning a superbowl doesn’t exclude the running game Bob, like every other aspect required in a winning team, it’s part of the formula to the equation of success; if you’re absent one part, you become exposed.

Bob here’s the bottom line, it seems like a lot of fan, you’re in that camp of letting Le’veon Bell go because you believe he’s keeping your team back from winning. If you actually study the type of offenses this team has run in the last 5 seasons, they’ve relied heavily on Bell; to replace that will be extremely difficult, as you noted, running back like Bell doesn’t grow on trees.

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By: Bob Stover https://thepointofpittsburgh.com/steelers-2018-nfl-draft-prospect-watch-ilb-leighton-vander-esch/#comment-13763 Fri, 20 Apr 2018 17:12:34 +0000 https://thepointofpittsburgh.com/?p=10881#comment-13763 No way the Browns take Barkley at #1. They might at #4, but the Browns will take a QB #1. But there is talk of the Browns taking another big offensive tackle out of Alabama at #4. So, Barkley may well fall to #5 or #6.

Your reference to a one of a kind talent like Todd Gurley is laughable. The Rams did not get to the Super Bowl, and it’s not like talents like Gurley or Bell grow on trees. Still, many teams have won Super Bowls over the years, including New England and Seattle and Green Bay, without a Gurley or Bell type of RB that opens up the passing game.

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By: Kelechi Anozie https://thepointofpittsburgh.com/steelers-2018-nfl-draft-prospect-watch-ilb-leighton-vander-esch/#comment-13756 Fri, 20 Apr 2018 13:02:01 +0000 https://thepointofpittsburgh.com/?p=10881#comment-13756 That’s not at all the truth. Bob, just like last year, Bell can delay till July before signing his franchise tender. Like I said, if you’ve followed Colbert’s moves, he rarely trades, unless it is definitely necessary. As much as you’d like to think they don’t need Bell, if you’ve followed the articles and video I’ve posted, they most definitely do. From a schematic point of view, he opens up the field for the passing game; yes Bob, you still need a good running game to open up the passing game (ask the Rams and Todd Gurley).

Barkley is likely going to be 1st overall or at the very least top 5, Barkley is likely going to be a Brown; thus you can forget about him. It is important that when you start talking about things like this, you evaluate what they’ve been doing, whom they’ve met with and whom they’re actually interested it. The only running back they’re likely to get if they actually make that type of move, is to get Derrius Guice; he resembles Bell as any other running back in that class, exception to perhaps Kerryon Johnson, whom is likely to be available in the 3rd round.

About this whole presumption about Bell’s me too attitude Bob, let me sprinkle a dose of reality to you; all of them have it. Before Antonio Brown got paid, he also was putting on a me too attitude( you saw it on the field against the Ravens). Frankly speaking, the fact that NFL players don’t get guaranteed contracts in a sport that is as violent as football is a crime; hence why people like Bell want to get what they can get before they end their career. As fans, many of us do not appreciate that, rather we carry this delusional stance that they should just play and be happy to get paid what they’re paying; that’s not how is works in today NFL unfortunately Bob.

As noted before, the reason why they traded back on 2006 was before they were picking last and they had just won a Superbowl; thus trading up or down didn’t make a difference. Whether you like it or not, Bell is an important piece to that offence because of how he frees up everyone else; in exception to Guice, none of those running backs come close to having Bell’s skillset. Hate to disappoint you, but you’ll be seeing Bell this season; next season could be a different story, but this season, he’ll be there.

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By: Bob Stover https://thepointofpittsburgh.com/steelers-2018-nfl-draft-prospect-watch-ilb-leighton-vander-esch/#comment-13754 Fri, 20 Apr 2018 12:06:33 +0000 https://thepointofpittsburgh.com/?p=10881#comment-13754 I believe that if Bell is not signed to an extension by the draft, you can kiss him goodbye. I think they can send Bell and their first round pick to a team or combination of teams that will get them back a Top 10 1st round pick and a couple of lower draft picks in the 2nd and 4th rounds. If the NFL has proven anything the last few years, you don’t need a guy like Bell to have success. He’s threatening to hold out again and I think Colbert has had just about enough of his narcissistic, me first attitude. There is talk that Barkley might fall as far as #6 in the first round and that Washington would like to have Bell and would be willing to deal, perhaps in conjunction with a third team to make all three happy. Just because the Steelers and Colbert haven’t done so recently, doesn’t mean they won’t again. They’ve never been faced with a situation like they’re confronting with Bell before.

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By: Kelechi Anozie https://thepointofpittsburgh.com/steelers-2018-nfl-draft-prospect-watch-ilb-leighton-vander-esch/#comment-13753 Fri, 20 Apr 2018 03:46:10 +0000 https://thepointofpittsburgh.com/?p=10881#comment-13753 More than likely not. The last time Colbert made a trade on draft day was back in 2006 for Santonio Holmes; at that time they were picking 31st after winning the Superbowl, so it made sense to move and they could afford to at that time.

When you look at this Steelers team, they are a couple pieces away from really contending; the last thing they’ll want to do now, is remove one of their most important pieces, for the sake of a linebacker that has recently noted having some health concerns; thus Vander Esch could fall in the draft.

If in any crazy scenario they trade Le’veon Bell, it’s more than likely not for Vander Esch; he’s good but not worth letting go of a multi-time All-Pro running back. This is not the strongest draft class, so we need to look at the guys that they’ve met with/dined with, whom they would be more inclined to get;
– Minkah Fitzpatrick
– Darrius Guice (whom they met and dined with)
– Justin Reid (arguably the top safety in this class)
– Tremaine Edmunds (arguably the best ILB in the draft).

That said, I’m more than positive that Colbert isn’t going to be making any trades in the draft this year; keyword being “this year”.

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By: Bob Stover https://thepointofpittsburgh.com/steelers-2018-nfl-draft-prospect-watch-ilb-leighton-vander-esch/#comment-13747 Thu, 19 Apr 2018 16:46:28 +0000 https://thepointofpittsburgh.com/?p=10881#comment-13747 I would not be shocked by a draft day trade that has Bell going elsewhere and the Steelers moving up in the draft, so they may be able to get Von Esch or someone else that’s really good on the inside. The only impediment to a trade would be if Bell refused to sign his franchise tag deal.

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By: Tiger Rowan https://thepointofpittsburgh.com/steelers-2018-nfl-draft-prospect-watch-ilb-leighton-vander-esch/#comment-13745 Thu, 19 Apr 2018 01:11:57 +0000 https://thepointofpittsburgh.com/?p=10881#comment-13745 That’s. My. Guy.

Too bad that ge’ll be long gone by 28.

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By: Kelechi Anozie https://thepointofpittsburgh.com/steelers-2018-nfl-draft-prospect-watch-ilb-leighton-vander-esch/#comment-13744 Wed, 18 Apr 2018 12:44:21 +0000 https://thepointofpittsburgh.com/?p=10881#comment-13744 Just as a note, in the last clip, the person that overpowered Vander Esch on that TD play was a fullback and not a offensive lineman.

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