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The Value of Blowing It Up Now

Starling Marte is far from a liability. He’s a key factor of a potential rebuild.

Let’s be clear. The Pirates aren’t already rebuilding, but they should be. The team they have lacks in star power and overall pitching to contend. I don’t know if they’re as bad as their current record indicates, but the roster as currently composed won’t likely do more than just miss out on the second wildcard barring a lot of surprises.

Of course, this piece isn’t about what those surprises might be. It’s about throwing in the towel. I don’t think the Pirates should approach the deadline with a fire sale mentality, but they should be looking to move almost anyone for the right package. If other teams know the Pirates want to dump players, buyers won’t offer as great a return. I hope Neal Huntington has dished out the “we’re close” mumbo jumbo I’ve heard just to throw off GM’s thinking the Bucs will make for an easily exploitable trade partner as they look to shed salary. The rebuild should be about rebuilding. If they can’t get the deal they want, they shouldn’t settle especially with players who have significant control.

I’d place potential trade chips into four categories: near untouchables, tradeable and controllable, should sell, and “we’ll also give you Oneil Cruz to take him.” The near untouchables are position players and starting pitchers still in their pre-arb years. They’ll likely be around long enough at a cost controlled price to contribute to a winner. Tradeable and controllable are players who have signed an extension or have some time left under arbitration. Should sell speaks for itself, these are short term players who have no chance of competing in another window. You can ask Reese McGuire what the final category is all about. I’ll have a look at who is in each of these categories and their potential trade return.

Near Untouchables

This is a pretty long list and while these players likely would yield a solid haul, most haven’t established enough track record or shown well enough at the major league level to merit a max return. This group includes Austin Meadows, Jameson Taillon, Kyle Crick, Josh Bell and a number of others who have not yet reached arbitration. If a rebuild takes 3-5 years, all of them could be part of future success. Note I’d only call them near untouchable because I’d trade any of them for the right deal. Here’s something to keep in mind. Pre-arb years really escalate trade value pretty dramatically.

Take Atlanta for example. They won their division in 2013, fell off in 2014 and tanked completely in 2015. A couple of their pre-arb players on their 2013 team are still around, Freddie Freeman and Julio Teheran, but a few were used as chips for trades. They moved Evan Gattis to Houston and Andrelton Simmons to the Angels and parlayed them into two of their better pitchers this season (Mike Foltynewicz and Sean Newcomb, respectively). Craig Kimbrell was Arb1 when they moved him to San Diego. If the Pirates want to rebuild and rebuild quickly they’ll need to keep the best of their core, but move some pieces as well. This probably means Meadows is truly untouchable as his six years of control give him a buffer if the rebuild goes a little long. He, Crick, Colin Moran and Nick Kingham don’t really have an easy to determine trade value either.

If Taillon isn’t an extension candidate he should become a trade candidate. Assuming he can average 2.7 wins per year during his remaining four seasons of control with $8.5 million per WAR, Taillon would yield a surplus value of $91 million in the offseason. That equates to one of the best prospects in baseball or five mediocre major league ready ones. Pitchers like Joe Musgrove and Trevor Williams could interest club looking for a controllable final piece to their rotation. Assuming each can average 1.5 WAR over the next four years, they would merit a surplus value of roughly $34.2 million or a pitcher in the 26-50 range. There would be risk, but the Pirates would likely get a shot at a player with more upside than the pitcher they’d give up. I wouldn’t trade Bell low, but he could be a candidate to move particularly if he rebounds next season.

Worth noting, I would wait to move any of these players until the offseason.

Tradeable and Controllable

This group could be around for a few more years, have the potential to make useful contributions to a winning team again, but likely have better value for the Pirates as a trade chip. Really only two players fit here — Starling Marte and Felipe Vazquez. Any rebuild would have to go perfectly for Marte to play for a winner in Pittsburgh again. At a $52 million potential surplus value (average of 3 WAR per season), he’d return all but the best pitching prospect and a little more.

Unless things go terribly, Vazquez should absolutely fill an important role on the Pirates next competitive squad, but as others have noted and I’ve harped for a long time, closers aren’t a necessity for rebuilding teams. All of my surplus values skew a touch conservative, but I’ve gone extra conservative on Vasquez. I put him at 2 WAR per year putting his surplus value slighting behind Marte’s. Its possible and maybe likely that he could command more, but writers who believe he would merit a franchise changing return likely have exaggerated his worth. Don’t get me wrong, he’d bring back serious value, but in my estimation Taillon and Marte would yield more. The league does tend to overvalue star relievers this time of year, so it wouldn’t be absurd for him to generate a larger return. That said, he could bring a couple of prospects in the middle to back end of the top 100.

Should Sell

Most of the Pirates players fit into this or into the near untouchable category. Only two are true holdovers from the previous window, Jordy Mercer and Francisco Cervelli. Mercer is months from free agency and the Pirates have used much of his trade value on the field. He could yield a C prospect without the Pirates retaining any of his salary. Cervelli has a fairly team friendly year and a third of control left and brings a great attitude to the club house. I put his surplus value around 7 million. He won’t bring a top 100 talent, but he could nab a B or B- prospect on the major league doorstep. Jason Rollison noted that the Pirates have interest in Darwinson Hernandez in the Red Sox organization. That’s probably a little low straight up, but a C prospect as a throw in pretty much does it.

The rest of the players the Pirates should sell are patches they’ve added to fill various holes. There wasn’t a market for Corey Dickerson in the offseason, but I suspect that will change. He’s performed well and would give a team a potentially average two year solution in the corner outfield. I’d project a slightly higher return than for Cervelli. Ivan Nova came in at the 2016 trade deadline to replace Francisco Liriano and stuck around after resigning a team friendly deal as a free agent. He’s having a year barely above replacement, but I would put his trade value at around $5 million. Of the cheap, available starters on the market, he might outshine the rest. David Freese would likely bring a return similar to Mercer.

“We’ll also give you Oneil Cruz to take him.”

You can call this the bad contract club but unlike most teams trying to hang onto fantasies of competing for too long, the Pirates have only two guys who fit into this category. Kevin profiled Josh Harrison’s situation earlier this week. I don’t need to belabor the point. He also looked at Gregory Polanco’s. Again, no need reinvent the wheel when you can refresh your memory with a click. Like Kevin, I would trade Harrison in a heartbeat and eat his contract just to clear some roster space and playing time for someone like Kevin Kramer. Of course, with no takers even with the Bucs eating a substantial part of his salary, I’d hang onto him and hope he rebounds next year. As for Polanco, I would rather hang onto him than sell this low. He is controlled long enough to potentially open the next window. While the dream has faded fast, I’d rather see the Pirates risk eating his contract than risk watching him finally put it together for someone else.

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If Neal Huntington doesn’t take the opportunity to rebuild now, I’m not sure he’ll actually get the chance at a second window. Usually GM’s are reluctant to take on a second rebuild, because of optics. In regards to baseball in Pittsburgh, I’d ask “what optics?” It can’t get much worse than it already is.

The Pirates likely won’t compete as currently composed, but still have assets to make a true rebuild a relatively short one. Of course, they still have enough assets to cloud the need to regroup. They have a handful of players who could serve as building blocks for next the core already in place either at the major league level or in Indianapolis. Taillon, Marte and Vazquez could bring a massive chunk with Taillon offering a path to the missing star power. Other veterans could bring additional modest and useful chips to supplement the core if management sells at this deadline. It’s important to acknowledge that value will deplete rapidly for anyone who the Pirates decide to keep and while they shouldn’t be singing that they’re sellers from the mountain tops, they should absolutely approach this deadline and offseason as if they are.

Steve is a naturalized yinzer hailing originally from just north of Allentown, PA. He came to Pittsburgh to attend Duquesne University and decided to stick around after graduation. Steve is best known for his contributions to Duquesne hoops community as the owner of the Duquesne Dukes forum on Yuku and as the former editor of We Wear the Ring on the Fansided network. He is an avid Pirates fan, home cook and policy nerd. He is the co-founder of the Point of Pittsburgh. Easily irritated by people who misuse the word regress.

8 Comments on The Value of Blowing It Up Now

  1. Michael Bradley // July 18, 2018 at 9:25 AM // Reply

    Nice article.

    I really think the team is a relocation of money away from being a really good team in 19-21. The 50M+ to Harrison, Mercer, Serpico, Kang, Nova, Freese, Cervelli is not a trivial amount. Spend that wisely with the players remaining and you have the 2018 Phillies.

    • Ethan Hullihen // July 18, 2018 at 11:28 AM // Reply

      Not sure if you were just guessing or not, but $50M+ was very close–those 7 players are on the books in ’18 for $50,229,167.

      I could see scenarios where any number of combinations of Cervelli, Harrison, Nova, and Kang are all back next year, substantially eating into those potential dollars. I personally would only prefer possibly giving Kang a chance, but I have no idea what the will Pirates do.

      Assuming that all seven are gone, that leaves 3 guaranteed contracts–Marte, Polanco, Vazquez–at $22,116,667 total. There are two arbitration eligible players–Dickerson and Feliz–but I would only assume Feliz to be back, let’s say at roughly $3M. I threw in 14 no-brainer minimum salaries for players definitely that will be back, and that was $7,770,000, plus Kang’s option at $5,500,000. That’s 19 players at $38,136,667. I’m not anticipating they sign 6 FA’s, but that’s at least $50M to get back to a similar level they’re are at this, or $60M to reach from a couple years ago.

      Unfortunately, I have no idea what kind of budget they would be forecasting, but I would assume lower, given attendance figures. Also, do they “retool” or “rebuild”? I would assume the former, which would assume a slightly higher payroll, but there’s no way of knowing.

      So, there’s some validity to your Phillies assertion, but with the Pirates, you obviously can’t believe it until you see it.

  2. stephan lantz // July 18, 2018 at 2:03 PM // Reply

    Cervelli will hard to move now with the concussions, Harrison you would have to pick up most of his salary,and their is no way they are picking up any of Harrison’s options.dickerson could be moved but his next year arb number would lessen the return. Marte and Vazquez are the big trade return guys on the roster, any rebuild would have include them.mercer and freeze could last to the August trade peroid and there no way they would be pulled back if someone claimed them.nova could be moved during the off season with some cash going with him.moran could be moved you pick up kang option.

  3. Bob Stover // July 18, 2018 at 2:28 PM // Reply

    Obviously they can’t sell all of those assets and not be in a full tear down. But some combination of those assets could be moved and bring back a very nice haul in near major league ready prospects in other organizations. I really don’t care what they get for Mercer or Cervelli so much as getting playing time for the Kevins, and realizing that Cervelli’s days as a catcher are clearly numbered. He can’t play first base for the Pirates unless they move Bell, and that makes no sense at all because he doesn’t have true corner infield power. As much as I love cervelli, the man, and a great guy in the clubhouse, it’s time for him to move on. Boston needs catching badly and have the pieces we need to prepare for that next window. They should get it done this weekend if possible.

  4. I think you have hit on the basic premise that should guide all small-market teams–namely, that if you’re not contending, you need to be rebuilding. This club is headed for its third straight 70-something win season, so you can’t say the core is very good–and really, it’s a group that is either in or on the edge of their prime years. This group isn’t good enough, and (at the very least) the Pirates need to listen on everybody.

  5. I cannot fathom any situation where the Pirates would want to pay 11 million to bring back Josh harrison. He has had one magical year 4 years ago, has lost his speed ( only 3 SB’s), is, even including that career year, a below average hitter by OPS, and is on the downside of his career. He is eminently replaceable by either Seinfeld player in Indy

    Therefore I have NO idea why you say: ” Of course, with no takers even with the Bucs eating a substantial part of his salary, I ?d hang onto him and hope he rebounds next year.”

    Giving JHAY MOREmoney makes less than zero sense. I do agree he is virtually untraceable, so at the end of the year I would say “Thanks, here is you 1/2 million walking away money”

    • Two things. First, it is “untradeable” in the last sentence, and I used OPS+ . Second, are you from Hockendaqua? Cherryville? There are a few Pirate fans here in the Lehigh Valley

      • Steve DiMiceli // July 20, 2018 at 10:12 AM // Reply

        For some reason, I thought Harrison was under contract this year and next. He isn’t and I agree that I don’t see his option being picked after this season unless he has a great final two months.

        I grew up outside of Slatington, but most of my family lives / lived in Whitehall.

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